Comments on: Reflecting What You See & Know http://charisshalom.fjministries.com/2007/10/reflecting-what-you-see-know/ A family, following Jesus, praying we will pave paths others will follow into a missional lifestyle Thu, 19 Jan 2012 04:29:49 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Melina http://charisshalom.fjministries.com/2007/10/reflecting-what-you-see-know/comment-page-1/#comment-1520 Melina Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:29:45 +0000 http://charisshalom.fjministries.com/2007/10/19/reflecting-what-you-see-know/#comment-1520 very interesting. i'm adding in RSS Reader very interesting. i’m adding in RSS Reader

]]> By: Bryan Riley http://charisshalom.fjministries.com/2007/10/reflecting-what-you-see-know/comment-page-1/#comment-1367 Bryan Riley Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:21:47 +0000 http://charisshalom.fjministries.com/2007/10/19/reflecting-what-you-see-know/#comment-1367 Marcia, Keep the faith. It is faith. Something hoped for. Unseen. It's hard I know, particularly when great challenges hit you. But God is faithful. Marcia, Keep the faith. It is faith. Something hoped for. Unseen. It’s hard I know, particularly when great challenges hit you. But God is faithful.

]]> By: Marcia http://charisshalom.fjministries.com/2007/10/reflecting-what-you-see-know/comment-page-1/#comment-1366 Marcia Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:45:35 +0000 http://charisshalom.fjministries.com/2007/10/19/reflecting-what-you-see-know/#comment-1366 Bryan, thanks. Bryan, thanks.

]]> By: John W. Loftus http://charisshalom.fjministries.com/2007/10/reflecting-what-you-see-know/comment-page-1/#comment-1360 John W. Loftus Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:59:13 +0000 http://charisshalom.fjministries.com/2007/10/19/reflecting-what-you-see-know/#comment-1360 The context of what God said about the nearness of the rock is this..."I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with <b>my hand</b> until I have <b>passed by</b>. 23 Then I will remove <b>my hand</b> and you will see <b>my back</b>; but <b>my face</b> must not be seen.” You might claim these are anthropomorphisms, but in doing so you read this text with hindsight. It would be quite obvious in an age of embodied polytheistic gods that Yaweh had a body. In fact, the Israelites did not envision a monotheistic God until 2nd Isaiah, since we find God being called the "God of the gods," in several places in the Bible, especially Psalms. He was the supreme God in their minds, not the only God, and he was conceived of much like the polytheistic gods of that day and age. Archeology also confirms he <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0802828523?tag=wwwdebunkingc-20&camp=14573&creative=327641&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0802828523&adid=1SHYWCXJ4G8TJFKVWEC1&" rel="nofollow">had a wife!</a> The context of what God said about the nearness of the rock is this…”I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23 Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen.”

You might claim these are anthropomorphisms, but in doing so you read this text with hindsight. It would be quite obvious in an age of embodied polytheistic gods that Yaweh had a body.

In fact, the Israelites did not envision a monotheistic God until 2nd Isaiah, since we find God being called the “God of the gods,” in several places in the Bible, especially Psalms. He was the supreme God in their minds, not the only God, and he was conceived of much like the polytheistic gods of that day and age. Archeology also confirms he had a wife!

]]> By: Bryan Riley http://charisshalom.fjministries.com/2007/10/reflecting-what-you-see-know/comment-page-1/#comment-1358 Bryan Riley Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:40:09 +0000 http://charisshalom.fjministries.com/2007/10/19/reflecting-what-you-see-know/#comment-1358 Yep. God, an infinite, reveals Himself in a way that a finite man can see Him. What an amazing thing to do!!!! He doesn't say "near where I always am" or "near the place where you put a statue of me" as though He were limited. He just says near me. Where I Am. Where you can be near me. Where I will reveal myself to you. Was Moses just really, really creative or did he figure out that the name Yahweh was limitless? That was a pretty good deal on his part. How about telling his entire culture to take their dumps outside the camp and cover them? Pretty good sanitation idea well before anyone understood the cncept of germs. Nice healthy diet too. Just for fun. Yep. God, an infinite, reveals Himself in a way that a finite man can see Him. What an amazing thing to do!!!! He doesn’t say “near where I always am” or “near the place where you put a statue of me” as though He were limited. He just says near me. Where I Am. Where you can be near me. Where I will reveal myself to you.

Was Moses just really, really creative or did he figure out that the name Yahweh was limitless? That was a pretty good deal on his part.

How about telling his entire culture to take their dumps outside the camp and cover them? Pretty good sanitation idea well before anyone understood the cncept of germs.

Nice healthy diet too. Just for fun.

]]> By: John W. Loftus http://charisshalom.fjministries.com/2007/10/reflecting-what-you-see-know/comment-page-1/#comment-1357 John W. Loftus Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:34:40 +0000 http://charisshalom.fjministries.com/2007/10/19/reflecting-what-you-see-know/#comment-1357 Byran, 21 Then the Lord said, “There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. 22 When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23 Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen.” The Holy Bible : New International Version. 1996, c1984 (Ex 33:21). Grand Rapids: Zondervan. That's "near me." Cheers. Byran,

21 Then the Lord said, “There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. 22 When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23 Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen.”

The Holy Bible : New International Version. 1996, c1984 (Ex 33:21). Grand Rapids: Zondervan.

That’s “near me.”

Cheers.

]]> By: Bryan Riley http://charisshalom.fjministries.com/2007/10/reflecting-what-you-see-know/comment-page-1/#comment-1356 Bryan Riley Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:16:47 +0000 http://charisshalom.fjministries.com/2007/10/19/reflecting-what-you-see-know/#comment-1356 Tis, Ok, John. I don't expect you (nor want you) to buy me or my explanations... Tis, Ok, John. I don’t expect you (nor want you) to buy me or my explanations…

]]> By: John W. Loftus http://charisshalom.fjministries.com/2007/10/reflecting-what-you-see-know/comment-page-1/#comment-1355 John W. Loftus Mon, 22 Oct 2007 00:14:11 +0000 http://charisshalom.fjministries.com/2007/10/19/reflecting-what-you-see-know/#comment-1355 Thanks so much for your clarification Byran. But I don't buy it. Surprise. John Thanks so much for your clarification Byran.

But I don’t buy it.

Surprise.

John

]]> By: Bryan Riley http://charisshalom.fjministries.com/2007/10/reflecting-what-you-see-know/comment-page-1/#comment-1354 Bryan Riley Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:39:08 +0000 http://charisshalom.fjministries.com/2007/10/19/reflecting-what-you-see-know/#comment-1354 John, first, you are not recognizing the fact that God is revealing Himself to a man, and speaking in His terms - a rock over there. The man isn't ominpresent, so it's not as though God would speak differently. Second, you are starting with the assumption that man creates god, rather than that God really exists. As a result, it becomes important to talk about how the culture would impact what was written. If, however, God simply revealed Himself, then it is not strange at all, and in fact is good evidence of the truth of God if He revealed Himself in a way that didn't fit the culture. Monotheism, at that time, was unusual. that alone set Israel and God, the One True God, apart. John, first, you are not recognizing the fact that God is revealing Himself to a man, and speaking in His terms – a rock over there. The man isn’t ominpresent, so it’s not as though God would speak differently.

Second, you are starting with the assumption that man creates god, rather than that God really exists. As a result, it becomes important to talk about how the culture would impact what was written. If, however, God simply revealed Himself, then it is not strange at all, and in fact is good evidence of the truth of God if He revealed Himself in a way that didn’t fit the culture. Monotheism, at that time, was unusual. that alone set Israel and God, the One True God, apart.

]]> By: John W. Loftus http://charisshalom.fjministries.com/2007/10/reflecting-what-you-see-know/comment-page-1/#comment-1353 John W. Loftus Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:33:26 +0000 http://charisshalom.fjministries.com/2007/10/19/reflecting-what-you-see-know/#comment-1353 Marcia, sometimes I just write what's on my mind, kinda like ramblin', like most preachers do. If it doesn't make sense then it's not your fault. ;-) It's just me. Cheers. Marcia, sometimes I just write what’s on my mind, kinda like ramblin’, like most preachers do.

If it doesn’t make sense then it’s not your fault. ;-)

It’s just me.

Cheers.

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