7th Mar, 2007

How to Shut Up Theological Know It Alls?

SBC Outpost, a blog by Marty Duren that I enjoy, is highly read and highly commented on. Unfortunately, it often generates a lot of discussion because it involves pastors and professors who pontificate on the rightness of a specific theology that they have mastered or what is appropriate behavior for a Christian. Marty is excellent at moderating this, and he has a fantastic ministry to pastors throughout the SBC, but it can be disconcerting to see vitriol come out amongst brothers and sisters about things that do not further the Kingdom.

His three most recent posts (here, here, and here) aren’t about theology or proper conduct for Christians at all. Instead, he has been pointing out statistics from around the world like life expectancy and water quality, etc. These three posts have generated 49 comments at this point, many of which are from missionaries, and a few of which are asking the question about the lack of comments on such subjects. If you haven’t seen the posts, check them out because the statistics are soberting and, I pray, motivating for all Christians to join up in God’s mission.

In contrast, this post, about an outcry by a man named Roger Moran against churches and alcohol, generated 157 comments alone. Three follow up posts regarding Mr. Moran generated 175 comments. I’m not encouraging you to go read through all of these comments. If anything, they may be demotivating.

What does it say to the world, if anything, that “Christian leaders” aren’t interested in discussing how to take the gospel, both in terms of serving and in terms of sharing, to places around the world where poverty and other ills are rampant, but they not only discuss, but also complain and argue (counter Philippians 2:14) about whether or not any church should ever allow certain activities to occur or whether other Christians brothers and sisters have church all wrong?

Responses

It says we are obsessing about divisive and destructive things. It says we are more interested in theology and being “Baptist” than being Christ-like. It says that we aren’t on mission, missional, or any other term you can use. It says that we suck, generally, as people. It’s why Steve McCoy is now posting about why he hates “us,” including himself as one of “us.” It’s why I’m posting on our identity in Christ. It’s why Marty is posting on the state of humanity. Because generally speaking, we’re full of crap and we like to roll around in it instead of doing anything remotely kingdom-building or Christlike. It says that the Body of Christ in America has cancer and its cells are attacking it from the inside out, causing paralysis, pain, and suffering. But then… maybe it’s less about the Church, and more about the Enemy inside the Church.

Besides all that, arguing about it creates more blog traffic than just trying to work it out. Is a divisive, argumentative person any less argumentative if all he’s doing is writing about it?

Josh
“…the word of God is not bound.”
–2 Timothy 2:9

Joe and Josh, thank you for commenting! I don’t know Josh, are we? My hope is that God is using the ugliness of it all, including my participation in it, to help us all realize how petty and shallow we are and how deep God is. And, as we begin to capture more of Him, we will love Him more and in that love begin to love others more and be more like Him.

Bryan this is the maybe the second time this year I’ve posted anywhere on a specific SBC issue but our tendency to fight and argue is our least Christlike feature. I don’t think the Bapti-blogs are helping any in this category–especially the ones where you can go see a street fight nearly any day of the week. There has to be a better way to go about it. Almost anything would be better than continually airing out every item of dirty, dirty SBC laundry in such a public fasion.

Josh
“…the word of God is not bound.”
–2 Timothy 2:9

I agree, Josh, wholeheartedly. There are days I struggle to even look at any blogs for fear it will be more of the same, fighting, pride, worship of self, but then I will come across some glimmer of hope in what some are writing. If non-Christians read much of what is on blogs written by SB pastors they will not get any picture of who Jesus is. They may get what someone describes as good exegesis (whatever that really means) or a baptist picture of how to interpret a particular scripture of set of scriptures, but will they understand that God loves them and gives them hope? Will they see that God loves them right where they are and that His grace will cover all their darkest parts if only they will believe and turn to Him? Do they see that following Jesus means loving God and loving others? I don’t think that is well portrayed on many blogs.

Lots to process here..thanks guys for summarizing. According to my simple way of thinking Satan is using our (Christians) pride as a means to “divide and conquer.” Certainly not a new technique…just different issues from times past.

Good addition, Scott. We take pride in ourselves rather than our relationship with Him and the love He gives us.

Nice post Bryan and spot on. The sooner we forget about people like Moran and move on to more important stuff — and may I say, stuff that Jesus cares about — the better.

Rick, thank you for coming by. And, I definitely think you may say that because we see through the gospels the things Jesus cared about and it wasn’t those types of things.

I too thought Marty’s stats were sobering and quickly have a way of putting all our petty quarreling into perspective. Surely this is one of Satan’s most effective strategies for distracting us from those things that really matter. We somehow have to convince everyone that our position on everything is of supreme importance. Somehow we don’t see the irony of where all our time and energy and thinking goes as compared to where the heart of God is…For God so loved the WORLD…

Yes, Guy, yes! Great comment. And, for God so loved the world that He GAVE… God is infinite in supply, but we live as though if we don’t have a big house, two or more cars, a big retirement account, and season tickets to three different arenas, we won’t have anything for a rainy day for … ourselves… and we get distracted from thinking about how if we obey His commands He will feed us like He feeds the sparrows and clothe us like He clothes the lilies…

And, when we insist on the rightness of our position are we not just putting ourselves in the place of God? Rather than simply serving and obeying God?

I don’t have a problem with arguing about this stuff. I just don’t think brothers should do it in public, you know, like on the Internet.

Josh
“…the word of God is not bound.”
–2 Timothy 2:9

Josh, I hear you. I suppose that by making note of it I am perpetuating it. My point, though, is to say enough is enough and let’s change our focus. Why aren’t we talking when it comes to the needs of the world and the positives of living by faith? Thus the title, How to Shut Up… I really want us to focus on the things that Jesus cared and cares about, like Rick and Guy point out above.

Hey Bryan,

It’s Cheryl the lesbian, crossing your path again. I was SOOO glad you brought up the issue of the number of comments on controversial issues on the SBC Outpost blog, as compared to the number of comments on the world problem stats!

First of all, I’m just glad Al Mohler was not my mom’s OB-GYN when I was in utero! :)

Second, indeed, no wonder the Church is losing power and witness in the world. The things we get fired up about are so wackedly unfocused on the things that Jesus cared about.

Third, EVEN IF there was a “gay gene” found, rather than invading a baby’s DNA to prevent it from being gay, wouldn’t it more likely be the “proof” that homosexuality is a normal (if minority) state of being? Or is it just that the radical right have built such a house of cards on this issue that the closer science gets to isolating the reasons for sexuality, the more unsteady their position becomes?

I don’t expect you to agree with me on my third point, but do you agree that might be the reason for Mohler’s thoughts?

Again, thank you for your Christlike refocusing on the REAL issues facing humanity!

Peace to you.

Cheryl, thank you for stopping by and adding to the conversation. I’m glad we are crossing paths.

As far as your third point, I guess I do disagree because I don’t know that anything about our humanity proves normalcy, except that we as humans desperately need God and are fulfilled when we are in relationship with Him. I suppose, however, having said that, it is normal for humans to be weak, to need Him. Unfortunately, it is also normal for us to think we are strong and don’t need anyone.

As I just wrote on the outpost, i’m using hyperbole some by pointing to the number of comments, but I think it is fair to an extent given the fact that out of the overflow of our hearts our mouths speak. My main point is that we spend way too much time arguing, complaining, and pointing to our super knowledge of what we think scripture says and less time following Jesus, going, being Jesus’ hands and feet, etc. I’m guilty, too!

Good stuff, Bryan. Thanks for the links…
*off to check them out*

It says that we do a good job of seeing the trees, but the forest? Not so much.

TIA, thanks for stopping by. Yes, I think we often get caught up in the minutia without a thought for the big picture. Is that the definition of small mindedness?

Keep up the great work!

Hi, Cheryl the lesbian, it’s Francoise the old atheist wanting to talk to you.

I agree that homosexuality is normal. It’s found in the animal kingdoms as well, and its purpose is to serve as a brake against population explosion. Seeing that the world has 6.5 billion+ humans, and no predators to keep our numbers under control, I think we should be grateful for gays!

We should also be grateful to gays for their outstanding contributions to the entertainment industry, but I digress. :)

But here’s the really interesting thing. An anthropologist friend of mine told me WHY the Bible is so hostile towards people like yourself. Apparently, the ancient world was plagued with violent cults comprised of male homosexuals. They were phallic-worshippers who existed by looting, kiling and pillaging “straight” communities. When their numbers dwindled ( for obvious reasons!) they would abduct males from their families, gang-rape them as an initiation rite and keep them in their tribe. If they tried to escape, they were killed and eaten. This wasn’t confined to the Middle East, but was also rife in South America, and the Aztecs, in particular, had their hands full, trying to deal with these savages for many centuries.

This explains why the Bible labels them as “lawless” etc. Besides that, a society which was also violent towards others needed heteros to keep building the number of potential warriors!

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